Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 106

03/05/2012 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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08:02:06 AM Start
08:02:34 AM Presentation: Nenana City School District
08:32:45 AM HB256
09:24:05 AM HB272
10:05:06 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation by Superintendent Eric Gebhart, TELECONFERENCED
Nenana School District
*+ HB 272 STUDENT LOAN INTEREST REDUCTIONS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 330 STATE EDUCATION STANDARDS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
+= HB 256 REPEAL STATE INTERVENTION IN SCHOOLS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 256(EDC) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
          HB 256-REPEAL STATE INTERVENTION IN SCHOOLS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:32:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that  the next order  of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 256, "An  Act repealing provisions relating to the                                                               
power  and  duties  of  the Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                               
Development  to  intervene  in   a  school  district  to  improve                                                               
instructional practices." [Version X was before the committee.]                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:33:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  adopt  Conceptual Amendment  7,                                                               
which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, Line 18 to Page 4, Line 14:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          The      regulations     adopted      under     AS                                                                    
     14.07.020(a)(2)(A)-(H) must  be for the  improvement of                                                                    
     instruction.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  noted the  attached justification  for the                                                               
amendment, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     JUSTIFICATION:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          The intent of this section is to incorporate                                                                          
     cultural    standards,   intensive    early   learning,                                                                    
     community involvement, etc.  into regulations which are                                                                    
     promulgated for the improvement  of instruction, not to                                                                    
     require the department to  incorporate these goals into                                                                    
     every potential regulation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:33:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE KREITZER,  Staff, Representative Alan Dick,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, on behalf of the  sponsor, explained that Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  7 would  address  a concern  the  department had  with                                                               
language  on page  3, lines  19-22 of  proposed Section  4.   She                                                               
skimmed  over portions  of the  language,  including stating  the                                                               
department  shall  ... study  the  conditions  and needs  of  the                                                               
public  schools   of  the  state,   adopt  or   recommend  plans,                                                               
administer  and evaluate  grants  to  improve school  performance                                                               
awarded  under  AS  14.03.125,  and  adopt  regulations  for  the                                                               
improvement   of  the   public  schools.     She   explained  the                                                               
department's concern  is that every  regulation would  be subject                                                               
to all of  the requirements listed beginning on page  3, line 23.                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment  7  would   require  that  the  regulations                                                               
adopted  under  AS  14.07.020  (a)(2)(A)-(H)   must  be  for  the                                                               
improvement  of   instruction  and  would  not   apply  to  every                                                               
regulation that the department might have to promulgate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:34:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:34 a.m. to 8:35 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:35:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE   asked  whether  Conceptual   Amendment  7                                                               
summarizes  the language  from page  3, line  18 through  page 4,                                                               
line 14.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER answered  no;  and explained  the  language is  not                                                               
replaced.    She highlighted  that  regulations  adopted for  the                                                               
statutes included on page  3, line 18 to page 4,  line 14 must be                                                               
for the improvement of instruction.   She clarified that language                                                               
is not  being replaced,  but noted  that all  of the  things that                                                               
must  be  included  in  the regulations  must  be  applicable  to                                                               
improvement of  instruction.  She directed  members' attention to                                                               
page  3  line  21  and  read,  "...  adopt  regulations  for  the                                                               
improvement of the public schools;  ...."  She explained that the                                                               
change  is to  reflect the  goal is  not for  the improvement  of                                                               
public schools but is for the improvement of instruction.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON acknowledged  he  is confused.   He  asked                                                               
whether any language is being deleted.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER  answered  no.     She  explained  that  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 7  would clarify that  regulations the  department must                                                               
promulgate,  including  cultural  standards and  intensive  early                                                               
learning, are regulations for the  improvement of instruction and                                                               
not simply for improvement of the public schools.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:37:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON clarified  that Conceptual  Amendment 7                                                               
is  conceptual to  allow  the drafter  to  craft the  appropriate                                                               
language and clarify the intent.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER answered  that is  correct.   She  stated that  the                                                               
sponsor  wanted to  avoid  unintended  consequences by  inserting                                                               
language on page 3, line 22: "improvement of instruction."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:38:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  asked   for  a   description  of   other                                                               
improvements of instruction.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER deferred to the department.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:38:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  HANLEY, Commissioner,  Department  of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development (EED), stated that the  concern with the language was                                                               
all  regulations  would need  to  incorporate  all the  functions                                                               
required under proposed Section 4.   He provided an example, such                                                               
that a regulation  could change for a  counselor's certificate or                                                               
the cut  score on WorkKeys.   Thus if  the cut score  was changed                                                               
the department would need to address  all of items listed [in the                                                               
subparagraphs in proposed  Section 4 (a) (2)]  in its regulation.                                                               
He  was concerned  that every  regulation  that changed  anything                                                               
having to  do with education would  need to be a  page long since                                                               
it would necessitate that the  department must incorporate all of                                                               
the  functions listed  in proposed  Section  4.   He offered  his                                                               
belief that was not the intent of the language.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:39:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON referred  to the  justification portion                                                               
of Conceptual Amendment  7, which she understood  is included for                                                               
the bill drafter.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY deferred to the drafter of the bill.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER answered that is correct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:40:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   removed  his  objection   to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  7.    There  being no  further  objection,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 7 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:40:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  adopt  Conceptual Amendment  8,                                                               
which read, as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, Line 10:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          DELETE                                                                                                                
               [two] AND                                                                                                        
          Insert three                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, Line 15:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          DELETE                                                                                                                
               [third] AND                                                                                                      
          Insert fourth                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:41:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER  explained that Conceptual  Amendment 8  pertains to                                                               
the  amount  of   time  a  school  or  district   would  need  to                                                               
demonstrate  consecutive years  of improvement.   The  department                                                               
had  concerns related  to reducing  the  time from  three to  two                                                               
consecutive   years.     Additionally,  Conceptual   Amendment  8                                                               
reinserts three  years of consecutive improvement  and allows the                                                               
district to choose  to receive restoration services  for a fourth                                                               
year.    She pointed  out  a  typo in  the  proposed  CS will  be                                                               
corrected in the work draft.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  indicated that the  department had  expressed concern                                                               
that the district must be doing  well before it was released from                                                               
any intervention.   He offered his belief that  the department is                                                               
providing  a   tremendous  service   and  he   envisioned  school                                                               
districts would want to receive  the benefit.  He emphasized this                                                               
change was important to the commissioner.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:42:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  what  help would  be  provided  to                                                               
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK recapped that year  one allows evaluation by an expert                                                               
to  evaluate the  school district  with respect  to the  criteria                                                               
described,  including a  student's  preparedness to  learn.   The                                                               
first year  a coach for  the superintendent would be  selected by                                                               
the  superintendent and  the department.   Additionally,  another                                                               
coach would be  selected by the school board  and the department.                                                               
He stated  that in year  two the superintendent could  select his                                                               
or  her own  coach without  the department's  involvement in  the                                                               
decision.    The school  board  may  also  choose its  own  coach                                                               
without  the department's  assistance.   He outlined  that if  no                                                               
improvement occurs, in year three a team effort would ensue.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:44:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE referred  to  page 6,  line  13, and  asked                                                               
whether the two  consecutive years of improvement  should also be                                                               
changed to three years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER answered yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:44:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE moved  to adopt  Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Conceptual Amendment  8 on  page 6,  line 13  to change  "two" to                                                               
"three."   There being  no objection,  Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 8 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:45:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   asked  whether  the  coaches   in  these                                                               
sections   are  the   one  week   per  month   coaches  initially                                                               
anticipated or if that has changed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK answered  that he has wrestled with  the question, but                                                               
ultimately decided  the superintendent and the  department or the                                                               
school board and the department could make the decision.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  inquired  as   to  the  funding  for  the                                                               
coaches.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER  answered that judging  by the fiscal note  it would                                                               
be paid for by the department.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether  Conceptual Amendment 8 would                                                               
significantly alter the fiscal note.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER answered that a section  in the bill, which has been                                                               
deleted,  represents  a $67,000  change.    She stated  that  the                                                               
fiscal note would not be significantly changed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:46:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON wondered  if  the  school districts  could                                                               
require the department to provide  coaches for the superintendent                                                               
for  professional  development and  to  the  school board  for  a                                                               
fourth  year.    He  suggested  it  seems  like  it  would  be  a                                                               
unilateral  decision by  the school  district, especially  if the                                                               
school district chose to have  full-time coaches.  He just wanted                                                               
to  ensure  that  this  bill  would  essentially  not  allow  the                                                               
district   to  have   an  assistant   superintendent,  a   school                                                               
counselor, or administrator paid for  by the state instead of the                                                               
coaches  intended under  the bill.   He  offered his  support for                                                               
improvements,  but   he  wanted   to  make  sure   the  committee                                                               
understands  the complexities.   Furthermore,  the bill  needs to                                                               
determine whether  the coaches  will be  the current  coaches and                                                               
define the funding  support.  However, he cautioned  that a full-                                                               
time  coach living  in a  rural district  would represent  a very                                                               
different  financial obligation  than a  professional development                                                               
coach who would  fly in on occasion to a  district.  He expressed                                                               
concern the  bill may leave the  definitions so broad that  it is                                                               
not possible to determine the funding.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:49:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON  pointed out that since the  plan is now                                                               
a  four-year versus  a three-year  plan so  some dates  and other                                                               
adjustments  will need  to be  changed in  the bill.   She  asked                                                               
whether HB 256  should be revised to ensure  all sections reflect                                                               
the change to the fourth year.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER  answered  that currently  a  school  district  can                                                               
petition  the  department  to  continue  restoration  activities.                                                               
This  bill  allows  a  school   district  the  choice  to  select                                                               
restoration  services  for the  fourth  year.   She  related  her                                                               
understanding  from   discussions  with  the   commissioner  that                                                               
continuing  for a  fourth year  would be  a decision  between the                                                               
department and the specific school district.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:50:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  asked for clarification of  what occurs in                                                               
the  fourth year  if no  improvement in  the school  district has                                                               
occurred in the first three years.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  related  his  understanding  that  the  team  -  the                                                               
superintendent,  school board  member,  the four  coaches, and  a                                                               
representative from  the EED  and the Board  of Education  - will                                                               
develop a  plan in the  third year  that will be  implemented and                                                               
evaluated.  He offered his belief  that it would take three years                                                               
before  the team  could evaluate  whether  the plan  is having  a                                                               
positive impact on the school district.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  related his  understanding the  plan would                                                               
start after coaching for three years.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  clarified that the  restoration would  entail coaches                                                               
for two years,  and in year three the plan  is implemented by the                                                               
superintendent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT restated that  the restoration would entail                                                               
a  three-year  plan.    He  asked whether  the  team  would  then                                                               
formulate another plan.  He questioned  why the plan would not be                                                               
started in the first year or earlier on in the process.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  offered his  belief the  restoration plan  will work.                                                               
He  elaborated  that  rural school  districts  are  isolated  and                                                               
people are  sometimes too  close to the  problem to  identify it.                                                               
He suggested  minimal intervention may  be all that  is required,                                                               
such as  if a  superintendent was  coached for  five days  at the                                                               
beginning of  the year.   However, coaching for  potentially five                                                               
days  four  times a  year  may  be all  that  is  necessary.   He                                                               
suggested   such  assistance   would   be   beneficial  for   the                                                               
superintendent and  the school  board.  He  stated his  intent is                                                               
not to micromanage superintendents.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  highlighted the  gravity of  the situation                                                               
since children  will be affected.   Thus some follow  through may                                                               
be  necessary  to ensure  the  children  are positively  affected                                                               
during this process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:54:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK asked  Representative P. Wilson to  clarify an earlier                                                               
suggestion for evaluation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:54:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  referred to  page 8,  line 27  to sub-                                                               
paragraph (iv), which read:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     development   of  a   three-year  plan   by  the   team                                                                
     established under (ii) of  this subparagraph to restore                                                                
     the school;  during the three-year  plan, the  team may                                                                
     redirect  funding in  the  district  budget to  improve                                                                
     instruction;  the  superintendent shall  implement  the                                                                
     plan developed  by the team;  each year, at the  end of                                                                
     the  school year,  the team  shall evaluate  and adjust                                                                
     the plan as the team determines necessary;                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  P.   WILSON  suggested  additional   language  be                                                               
included  if a  fourth year  will be  considered.   She explained                                                               
that would  be for the protection  of the school and  to give the                                                               
department  guidance.   She highlighted  that  the committee  has                                                               
been very  careful thus far  and she supported  adding additional                                                               
language for clarification.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:55:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  considered the  plan as  a five-year  plan, including                                                               
two years  of coaching,  and in  the third year  a team  would be                                                               
brought in to develop an additional two-year plan.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  questioned  the reason  to  wait  two                                                               
years, which seemed to be too long of a time period.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  answered in  part,  due  to  the fiscal  impact  and                                                               
additionally,  that under  NCLB  it would  amount  to five  years                                                               
prior to any action being taken.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:56:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE offered  his  belief that  the coaches  may                                                               
identify  the problem  and resolve  the issues  in the  first two                                                               
years so  there wouldn't be  any need  to go into  the three-year                                                               
plan.  He  reiterated the trigger for  the additional restoration                                                               
only happens  if the  coaching fails.   He directed  attention to                                                               
page 6,  line 19, to  Representative Pruitt's point,  that during                                                               
instrument landings  pilots believe it is  a good idea to  have a                                                               
"missed approach  procedure," which has been  addressed by having                                                               
the department to cover the eventuality.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:58:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   removed  his  objection   to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  8.    There  being no  further  objection,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 8, as amended, was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:58:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY directed attention  to page 4, which excludes                                                               
the  ability to  appoint a  trustee.   He reminded  the committee                                                               
that under Moore v. State of  Alaska the court clarified the role                                                             
and responsibility  to provide oversight  and support  for school                                                               
districts; however, a trustee was  not indicated.  He related the                                                               
decision required  the state to  provide more direct  support for                                                               
schools that  are chronically underperforming.   He reported that                                                               
numerous steps  could be taken,  but currently the  department is                                                               
providing  coaches  and some  technical  support,  as well  as  a                                                               
trustee in one  school district.  He surmised this  may very well                                                               
address what  the judge  ruled in  terms of  direct support.   He                                                               
offered his belief that this bill  - which is different than what                                                               
the  department is  currently doing  -  holds the  state and  the                                                               
department  accountable  and   requires  accountability  for  the                                                               
school districts, as well.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:00:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  directed attention to language  on page 8,                                                               
line  29,  which  pertain  to the  development  of  a  three-year                                                               
restoration plan.  He explained  that one option included in that                                                               
plan is the  team may redirect funding in the  district budget to                                                               
improve instruction.   He  asked whether  that would  provide the                                                               
same ability as  has been available to the trustee.   Further, he                                                               
asked whether  the team would  have the same power  and authority                                                               
that the trustee had held.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY answered  yes, although  he noted  the power                                                               
has not been given to the  trustee since the authority rests with                                                               
EED.   The department would  need to come before  the legislature                                                               
prior to  an intervention to  redirect funds.  He  confirmed that                                                               
the  provision   would  not  change  the   department's  existing                                                               
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:01:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON   asked   whether   the   department   is                                                               
comfortable with  the team make-up  described in Version X  of HB
256.  He further asked  whether it would satisfy the requirements                                                               
under Moore v. State of Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  answered  that   he  did  not  believe  the                                                               
authority changes; however, the make-up  of the team is different                                                               
and outside influence and vision  could be helpful.  He indicated                                                               
that in  the case  of schools that  had been  underperforming for                                                               
years,  the ruling  applies specifically  to the  school district                                                               
that "has  been unwilling or  unable" to make the  corrections on                                                               
their own.   He  emphasized the importance  of having  an outside                                                               
person  since  an  internal  team   would  struggle  to  see  the                                                               
conditions they currently  face.  He reiterated  before funds are                                                               
redirected it  would be necessary  to come to the  legislature to                                                               
seek reappropriation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:03:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON highlighted  that currently many coaches                                                               
are not teachers  in schools, but come from the  ranks of retired                                                               
teachers.   She pointed  out that Amendment  9 would  require the                                                               
coaches be  selected by the  superintendent and the  local school                                                               
board and will  be from districts designated  as high performance                                                               
districts by the department.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK remarked  that two  issues are  being discussed.   He                                                               
related his  understanding that Amendment  9 speaks to  the coach                                                               
for the school board and not the superintendent.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY said he did  not fully understand how a coach                                                               
as currently  defined, which would require  extensive time, would                                                               
be able  to be pulled  from a  high-performing district so  it is                                                               
difficult to have  those two jobs.  He was  unsure how that would                                                               
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:05 a.m. to 9:07 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:07:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  adopt  Conceptual Amendment  9,                                                               
which read, as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
       One coach from a high performance school district                                                                        
     shall be selected by the local school board;                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  noted the  attached justification  for the                                                               
amendment, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     JUSTIFICATION:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The coach  selected by the  local school board  in year                                                                    
     2,  will  be  from  a district  designated  as  a  high                                                                    
     performance  district   by  the  department   under  AS                                                                    
     14.03.123.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:08:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER clarified  that Conceptual  Amendment 9  relates to                                                               
the second year of restoration  activities.  She referred to page                                                               
8, line 4,  and stated that the coaches would  be selected by the                                                               
superintendent, plus  one coach  would be  selected by  the local                                                               
school  board would  be a  coach from  a high  performance school                                                               
district.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:08:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON pointed  out  that  the coaches  don't                                                               
normally come  from the  school district,  but usually  come from                                                               
retired  teaching staff  or superintendents  who are  trained and                                                               
contracted  to do  the service.   She  cautioned that  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  9  changes the  current  selection  process and  would                                                               
create  an added  expense  since  new coaches  would  need to  be                                                               
trained.  She  characterized this as a  significant difference in                                                               
cost especially  as more  schools become out  of compliance.   It                                                               
represents  an  unfunded  mandate,  and the  committee  needs  to                                                               
decide  how  this   should  be  handled.     She  emphasized  the                                                               
importance  of identifying  funding  and  questioned whether  the                                                               
legislature is  willing to increase  funding to that level.   She                                                               
related her understanding the current  coaches would not be used,                                                               
but would come from a high-performance school district.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:10:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  referred to  page 9, lines  3-4, which  indicates the                                                               
funding for restoration would be  subject to appropriation by the                                                               
legislature.  A  coach could be chosen at will,  but the language                                                               
indicates the person must be of quality and must have expertise.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  questioned  whether  a district  would                                                               
have  a coach  available  or if  a person  could  be spared  from                                                               
regular duties to coach.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK related  his understanding that the  school board only                                                               
meets four  times per year for  three or four days  each session.                                                               
He related a  scenario in which school board "A"  wants to draw a                                                               
coach from school district "D" -  noting that district "D" has an                                                               
effective school  board - so school  board "A" would take  one of                                                               
the school board  members from school district "D" as  a coach to                                                               
help the school district.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:12:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON asked  whether  the  coaches would  be                                                               
taken  from the  state  board [of  Education]  or another  school                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK answered that it would be from another school board.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  related her  understanding  that  all                                                               
school boards meet each month.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT asked for the department's response.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON restated  the question for  the benefit                                                               
of the commissioner.  She  related her understanding that coaches                                                               
are not necessarily  working in a school, but  are contracted out                                                               
by the department to work as coaches.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered that  the department hires coaches -                                                               
as resources  allow - so the  EED does not have  coaches standing                                                               
by who  are not working.   The only ones currently  employed have                                                               
tasks  around the  state.   He  anticipated  that this  provision                                                               
would  require an  additional coach,  which is  reflected by  the                                                               
fiscal  note.   He was  unsure  about the  availability of  high-                                                               
performance   school   district   coaches.     He   related   his                                                               
understanding that  the department  would hire another  coach for                                                               
the restoration  school districts  by choosing  from the  pool of                                                               
current employees in high-performance districts.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said it seemed  that the coaches  would be                                                               
elected members  of a local  school board from  a high-performing                                                               
school district.   He was  unsure whether voluntary  members that                                                               
have been  elected by a local  region - who understand  the local                                                               
region and constituents  - could be pulled from a  place, such as                                                               
Anchorage, to  go to  a single-site rural  district to  coach the                                                               
school  board  to improve  its  function.  He asked  for  further                                                               
clarification  as  to whether  the  parameters  he laid  out  are                                                               
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  responded that  was his  intent as  the sponsor.   He                                                               
remarked that  Norm Wooten  from Kodiak  is a  good example.   He                                                               
coaches many school boards throughout  the state.  He related his                                                               
goal was  to have  someone comparable  to Mr.  Wooten in  a high-                                                               
performance school  district assist  other school boards  to help                                                               
improve their performance.  He offered  to dismiss it and move on                                                               
if the coach concept is too complicated.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:16:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON acknowledged this provision  intends to                                                               
use a  school board member as  a coach in other  school districts                                                               
and would not envision using  a teacher from the high-performance                                                               
school district.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  related a scenario  in which a  coaching circumstance                                                               
could happen.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON suggested  that Conceptual  Amendment 9                                                               
should stipulate  that since the  amendment indicates  "one coach                                                               
from a high performance school  district shall be selected by the                                                               
local  school board;"  however she  understands that  is not  the                                                               
sponsor's intent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:17:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  suggested an  amendment  to  Conceptual Amendment  9                                                               
might indicate, "one  coach from a functioning school  board of a                                                               
high performance school  district shall be selected  by the local                                                               
school board."  The intent would  be to have a quality coach from                                                               
a school district that is doing  well to help the school board in                                                               
a school district that needs restoration.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  offered  that  what  may  not  have  been                                                               
originally  captured is  the concept  that the  coach would  be a                                                               
member of the  elected school board.  He  suggested including the                                                               
language would be helpful.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:19:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  moved to  adopt Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment 9,  to read,  "One  coach who  is a  school                                                               
board member  from a  high performance  school district  shall be                                                               
selected by  the local school  board."  There being  no objection                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 1 to Conceptual Amendment 9 was adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   removed  his  objection   to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  9.    There  being  no  further  objection  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 9, as amended, was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:20:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  referred to original  Conceptual Amendment                                                               
9  and offered  to identify  the amendment  since two  amendments                                                               
were on  the table titled  "Conceptual Amendment 9."   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 9, just adopted read,  as follows [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 8, Line 4:                                                                                                            
       One coach from a high performance school district                                                                        
     shall be selected by the local school board;                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      The amendment had attached justification, which read                                                                      
     [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     JUSTIFICATION:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The coach  selected by the  local school board  in year                                                                    
     2,  will  be  from  a district  designated  as  a  high                                                                    
     performance  district   by  the  department   under  AS                                                                    
     14.03.123.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:21:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK,  after  first  determining no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 256.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:21:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  report  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute    (CS)    for    HB   256,    labeled    27-LS1171\X,                                                               
Luckhaupt/Mischel,  2/27/12, as  amended, out  of committee  with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  the  accompanying fiscal  notes.                                                               
There being  no objection,  the CSHB  256(EDC) was  reported from                                                               
the House Education Standing Committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:22:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:22 a.m. to 9:24 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CS to 2nd SS HB 272 Version T Sponsor Statement.pdf HEDC 3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 272
CS for 2nd SSHB272 Version T.pdf HEDC 3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 272
CS for 2nd SSHB272 Backup - Student loan rates.pdf HEDC 3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 272
2nd SS HB272-EED-ACPE-02-28-12.pdf HEDC 3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 272
CS HB256 (EDC)-DOA-DAS-3-2-2012.pdf HEDC 3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 256
CS HB256 Version X -EED-TLS-3-2-12.pdf HEDC 3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 256
2nd CS SS HB 272 Version R 03 02 12 Legal Memo.pdf HEDC 3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 272
CS for 2nd SSHB272 Version R.pdf HEDC 3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 272